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[Fatty]

As requested, here is the information for science talking. It's when you talk to someone and it randomly generates a conversation which eventually improves intelligence and wisdom. I looked at the source for this, so it is every science-talk character in the game.
+ is intelligence
# is wisdom
If it is missing a symbol, then that stat is still increased, just not a lot. It's organized first by location then by requirements. Format is (how much it increases intelligence) (how much it increases wisdom) Name of character | intelligence requirement for science talk / wisdom requirement for science talk:

In the Dungeon:

Note: You have to tame these guys to science talk. (Lyre of charm, Dulcis, scroll of taming, wand of resurrection)

Orcs 3/3
Mistresses 6/3
Apprentice Necromancer 10/5
+ Apprentice Dark Mage 10/5
+ Dark Frog 10/5
++# Greater Dark Frog 15/10
++# Dark Battlemage 15/10
+++## Master Necromancer 20/10
+++## Giant Dark Frog 20/15
++++### Mystic Dark Frog 25/15
++++### Elder Dark Mage 35/25

Note: Tamed enemies are better for intelligence than wisdom.

Attnamese

Hunter 6/3
# Farmer 10/10
Light Frog 5/15
++++## Librarian 20/10
# Greater Light Frog 10/20
+## Giant Light Frog 15/25
++### Mystic Light Frog 20/30
++++++###### Female Dolphin in Season 50/50

Note: The librarian is good for intelligence, and the frogs are good for wisdom (but have high requirements). Good luck getting to the dolphin, I've never done it before, maybe it should be my goal one of these days to science talk my way to 50 int 50 wis?

New Attnam

+## Banana Grower 5/10
++*** Imperialist 10/0/15
+++#### Village Elder 10/15

Note: The banana growers are good but have a pretty low chance of talking. Kaethos the village elder is awesome. Richel Decos the imperialist has a 15 charisma requirement and improves charisma (barely).

Friends

Dog 3/4
+## Ivan 3/3
++#### Angel 10/20
+++##### Archangel 20/40

So a general progression would be (some areas overlap):
10-20 int/wis: Talk to losers (banana growers, dog, mistresses, farmers, etc.), read holy books and simple scrolls, and sacrifice.
15 wis: Talk to Kaethos, he's awesome.
20 int: Talk to Haathbar, he's super.
20-30 wis: Talk to the light frogs in the cathedral.
20-40 wis: Talk to angels (keep offering items to extremely pleased gods; an offering may spawn an angel. Since even cheap items work, sacrifice everything.)
10-20-25-35 int: Tame and chat with dungeon monsters. Make friends with mages, necromancers, and frogs, especially the mystical dark ones.
40+ wisdom: Spawn an archangel and she'll kick up your wisdom another four points. Spawn another, this is hard.
50 int / 50 wis : Chat with all the dolphins in the cathedral. I've never done this in a real game, but I just tried it in wizard mode and it boosted my int/wis from 50 to the 80's. Holy ****.

For a general idea of how much of an increase you can expect from a given creature:

2 stars ~ 1/2 point
3 stars ~ 1 point
4 stars ~ 2 points

Science talking takes awhile, be patient! Or, you can cheat and increase only intelligence (not wisdom) by cloning dozens and dozens of scrolls...

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You are a god among forumers! I can't thank you enough for this. Good job!
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[Captain Action]

thanks fatty!

[Captain Action]

How much can one gain from 1 person? Is it just 1 science talk per person? Or should one "corner" the victim and chat them to death?

[Z]

For completeness, here are intelligence training values for scrolls:

book - 75 (and 150 wis)
teleportation - 150
charging, taming, SoEW, SoEA, repair, SoHM, SoGC, SoDM* - 300
SoCM - 500
wishing - 600

* only 200 if nothing found, abuse (-100) if overwhelmed
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[Fatty]

[Captain Action]

Thanks Fatty. My current character has 40+ int and wis now. Now I'm trying to spawn some archangels.

[Captain Action]

Well, it took 17 game days, but I now have a character with 93 int and 83 wis.

Man those dolphins raise stats like crazy. The only boss left is the chaos mage on crack.

[Fatty]

Awesome!!!!!

HP requirement for Ischaldirh is 450 (from the script). Wherever he goes you esp where he is. Go for it! (+ be careful).

[Atomic]

and good luck!

Does higher INT values let you take more from a SoDM? because if it does... it can eventually be almost a magic map. I usually burn extras on detecting granite (or whatever the room walls/floors are made of on the particular level), for a pseudo-map of the level...
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[chaostrom]

Sorry for the revive, but it's more or less related...

[Atomic]

Talking to anyone will train your charisma. It takes a long time usually, but if you chat with the whiper guy in NA for, what, a game day or so? your charisma will go up a point or two. I can't remember who did the research.

Regardless charisma is more or less useless. You need to gain at least ten points to see any noticeable difference in prices, other than for rediculously expensive stuff. However, if you somehow manage to develop 100+ Charisma, you can purchace items for less than you can sell them back for. (The break even point is 100 CHA. I tested it a while back.)
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[chaostrom]

The banana grower encourager raises charisma? Damn.

[Atomic]

Well it's not really based on how many points of Cha you need to get the prices to change, it's based on 100 Cha making buy price = sell price. I can't really see making that number 50... and I wouldn't really want to mess around with how prices are calculated in the first place, so I'd say, just don't burn time training Cha. Maybe it will be made more useful eventually. We'll see.
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