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dalboz · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: monsters: what can they do?

I'm sorry if someone already asked this before, but:
if a certain monster gets hold of a wand, mine or musical instrument, can they zap/apply it?
likewise, if they get an artifact (for example, Turox) can they trigger it's magical effect?
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Somagu · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure they can. But if not, someone correct me as I'm most likely wrong.
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Z · wolf Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 336

AFAIK monsters can use all kinds of equipment (including artifact weapons (never seen Turox in use by a monster, but probably they can if they happen to find it)), and dwarves can use backpacks of gunpowder. Possibly dwarves can also use other "kamikaze weapons" like wands to break. I have never seen dwarves picking up any kamikaze weapons (including backpacks). I have never seen monsters using anything else.
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Atomic · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:18 am Post subject:

Monsters can use all sorts of equipment, can eat, and can drink. As Z said dwarves can also kamikazie. Beyond that they can't do anything.

Artifacts specials are activated independant of the wielder, so yes, a skeleton using Turox is most likely to blow itself up.
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Z · wolf Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 336

Yes, of course, they can eat and drink, sorry. But they cannot pick up food and drink as far as I know.
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dalboz · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:50 am Post subject:

good, because I accidentally left my wands on GC4. I was afraid that my death message will say "Jukebox the human, killed by an ork with a wand of striking"
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Captain Action · kobold lord Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 173

Do mosnters fight each other? I keep finding blood stains without a trap nearby.

Atomic · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

I don't think they will. I think there are only three teams right now, the towns, the monsters, and you. The blood stains might be from a monster who got injured and is running away.
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dalboz · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:36 am Post subject:

I think monster infighting is possible, providing that you can get one monster to melee attack the other.
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Atomic · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:49 am Post subject:

I meant as far as the game is concerned. The people in the GC shop are on the "Townsfolk" team, the "sick bastards" are probably kobolds or some such, and I believe magic mushrooms don't attack stuff... they might force monsters to change teams via their bubbles or such, but they don't have their own team I'm pretty sure...
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Z · wolf Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 336

Why don't you just read Scriptdungeon.dat. Then you will know that there are 12 teams in the game.
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Atomic · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:56 am Post subject:

Well there you go. My memory was off by about 9.

But Dhsk, if you tame *anything* it will be on your team. That's the whole point of taming. If it's attacking you... my geuss would be that it's bubbles confused it or something.

By my bubbles quote I was saying that perhaps the bubbles they produce are interpreted by monsters as an "attack", but that can't be right because monsters don't go hostile on the Enner. As far as I know anyways. OK that last paragraph was pretty much pulled out of my ass.
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dalboz · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:30 am Post subject:

the reason monsters don't go smashing Enner might be because
1. his screams are ranged attacks, and maybe ranged attacks don't cause monsters to go fighting each other
or
2. his screams killed all the monsters that tried to kill him. (this might be it, since every one of my characters that have gotten to his level has tons of monsters in the "killed by some other reason" section of the massecre records, all saying "...killed by the enner beast...")
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Z · wolf Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 336

These teams are listed in Scriptdungeon.dat which you have, so ... But anyway these teams are:

* 0 == PLAYER_TEAM == Player and pets
* 1 == MONSTER_TEAM == Monsters, default relation to other teams == hostile
* 2 == ATTNAM_TEAM == Residents of Attnam
* 3 == SUMO_TEAM == Huang Ming Pong during an arena figth

(4 == Spawned hostile angels)
(5 == Dungeon shopkeepers)
(6 == IVAN_TEAM)

* 7 == NEW_ATTNAM_TEAM == natives and ostriches of New Attnam
* 8 == COLONIST_TEAM == colonists of New Attnam
* 9 == TOURIST_GUIDE_TEAM == dummy team which holds the village elder, who tourists follow
* 10 == TOURIST_TEAM == tourists of New Attnam
* 11 == BETRAYED_TEAM == pets which the player has angered

About the enner beast: I think that monsters don't fight each other when one hurts another. So the monster won't fight the enner beast even though the enner beast hurts them.
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Atomic · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: